Sunday, February 06, 2005

High Commission Payouts

This is something that really bothers me, and has been on my mind for awhile now. Regarding Affiliate Marketing, and some of the very high commission programs that are popular among Internet Marketers.

I should say upfront that I love Affiliate Marketing, and I love big commission checks - as much as the next person. But there's a point where it's just plain unethical (in my opinion), and I feel that merchants should draw the line so as not to devalue their product or service.

Let's take the "Big Seminar" as an example - and it's just an example, as there are plenty of similar programs. The ticket price is $1,997 and the affiliate payout is $1,000 per sale.

The ticket price, or price of any product/program is not the issue. Most of these are well worth their price tags (and then some, in most cases).

The problem is with the $1,000 commission (which in the case of the Big Seminar, is posted directly on the main sales page). I visited the sales page this weekend because the upcoming event is in Atlanta, GA and I have been considering going this time around.

After reading through it, I would be more than happy to pay $997 to attend, ordering directly from Armand of course. Obviously that is all the actual Seminar is worth (to him). Or at least that is the conclusion my subconcious draws after reading the Sales Letter.

On the flip side, I would also love to promote the Big Seminar coming up in Atlanta, GA. However, knowing how I feel about the value of the event... I wouldnt feel it was fair to accept $1,000 per ticket sold.

Give me $97, and the other 900+ you can put back in the attendees pockets. To me, that seems more than fair compensation for my marketing efforts - and fair to everyone involved.

This issue came up with Traffic Secrets when it first came out. The product was $997, and paid $475 in commission. To get around it, I offered a $400 rebate to those that ordered through my link. I earned a couple thousand (or so) for my marketing efforts... and the buyers got a better deal (closer to true value). And I chose to do that instead of earning over $10k for the sales I referred - because I think it would have killed me to put that much of their hard-earned money into my bank account... for practically nothing (on my end).

That didnt last long, of course, as John asked that no more cash rebates be offered. Understood, as he felt that the rebates themselves devalued the product. However, it was common knowledge that the commission rate was set so high...

I personally feel that it would really benefit us ALL if products (including services & events) were priced according to market value, with a fair compensation structure to affiliates or resellers.

Like I said, I love big commission checks as much as the next person... but I also like to earn my money fair and square. And I dont like the idea of my friends, peers, clients, subscribers or site visitors getting the idea that I am "getting rich off of them". It defeats the purpose of building a solid Internet Marketing community, and gaining the trust of your members.

I would much rather earn my big commission checks by other means - such as a PPC campaign running on auto pilot, or high search engine rankings for popular products/services (niche, non-IM)... or even honest recommendations for appropriately priced items.

[/rant] Any comments?

9 Comments:

At 5:12 PM, Blogger Kelly said...

I remember when Traffic Secrets came out I commented about the competition for "bonus" and "rebate" offers. I thought it would have a pretty big impact - then as you said, John put an end to it.

I believe Traffic Secrets is worth $1000. I've heard enough feedback to confirm that. But I completely agree with you on the commission structure.

Their high commission offer motivates big guns in the business to give them top priority. Is there anything wrong in buttering the affiliate's bread? Nope. It's how the system operates.

But if enough super affiliates like you stand up and say you would work just as hard for a 20 or 25% commission, maybe we'll see a lowering of prices.

I don't guess I'll hold my breath though ;)

 
At 7:16 PM, Blogger Lynn Terry said...

True...

And I suppose some would say that earning $1000/sale on Armand's event is one of the perks to holding a ticket (making it worth even more than the almost $2k that ticket cost you). I say that because you have to order your own ticket in order to get access to the affiliate program.

Still, I do think it would be best for programs like this (high ticket items, with unreasonably high commission) to be "private programs" that are handled as JV's (joint ventures) and set up behind the scenes. Not announced publicly, as it seems to really devalue the "product".

If it were MY sales letter, I would offer a public affiliate program with reasonable commission... but perhaps have a second, private program that offered a higher commission rate open to JV partners only.

It's not hard to set up. And neither is merging/separating your main mailing list & sub-lists... but I ended up getting TEN copies of Armand's announcement today.

All said and done, it's just my opinion. But I do think that the Internet Marketing circuit could use some tweaking...

 
At 11:24 PM, Blogger Sandra said...

Lynn, I agree totally. Big commission rates should be awarded on a JV basis. It shouldn't be common knowledge what the commission is for any product, esp. those so high. I have heard several times how the "super affiliates" of any program generate around 95% of the sales, so you'd think that JV'ing with just a few people would be better than an open program anyway. Sounds like a case of the gurus not taking their own advice. (Speaking of which, I heard John Reese on a later teleclass talking about how great it is for affiliates to offer rebates. Kind of ironic, huh?)

 
At 8:28 AM, Blogger Lynn Terry said...

I agree. I'm all for Affiliate Marketing (LOVE it!), big checks too (who isnt? *grin*)... I'm just not impressed with - or happy about - some of the things going on in the IM community lately.

I have no doubt it will run it's course and then die out at some point (the status quo, that is, not the industry itself)... leaving room for someone to step in and teach ethical marketing.

I've decided not to attend the upcoming Big Seminar, simply because I feel they'll be teaching the tactics they are using themselves... which is not something that I am interested in.

I'm sure I'll be missing a great opportunity to network with others, and meet interesting people in our industry... but I do feel that my time would be better spent here for now, with my eyes peeled for a smaller upcoming topical event.

 
At 11:52 PM, Blogger directors said...

Hi Lynn,
You mentioned waiting for a local event. Will you be at the one in Nashville in March that Jim Edwards is one of the workshop leaders (and other well know ones, but I kind of like Jim - he always emails me to say thank you when I tell him I printed one of his articles)?
And my thought on the cost of these things - I wish they could have a payment plan or something, to make it more affordable - especially for those of us paying in Canadian dollars.
Carol

 
At 12:24 AM, Blogger Lynn Terry said...

Hi Carol,

I'm on Jim's lists, but I havent heard of this event (at least I cant recall?). Fill me in - Nashville is practically "next door" ;)

~ Lynn

 
At 9:15 PM, Blogger directors said...

Hi Lynn,
I just got this yesterday and it's for the 2005 Idea Incubator Seminar. The link is http://www.ideaseminar.com/Jim/
Please let me know what you think.
Carol

 
At 9:13 AM, Anonymous R Hagel said...

You said:

"Obviously that is all the actual Seminar is worth (to him). Or at least that is the conclusion my subconcious draws after reading the Sales Letter."


Actually, he would probably gladly give nearly all the upfront profits away -- maybe leaving himself with $1 per person -- just to have this "hot" list of people who pay a few thousand to attend a seminar.

Ok, so that's an exaggeration that he'd be willing to take a buck for profit. But what I'm saying is that a good marketer knows that the LIFETIME value of the customer is what is really important. So they'll give up profits up front to get this customer.

(Offline you hear about this notion a lot -- a "loss leader." Maybe a grocery store will practically give away something just to get people in the store. They lose money in marketing and promo costs, but make it up later on down the road with repeat sales and customer loyalty.)

So anyhoo, my point is that the size of the commission isn't necessarily reflective of what the creator feels the EVENT is worth. Rather, it's more reflective of what the creator feels the CUSTOMER is worth.

Cheers,

Becky

 
At 12:13 PM, Blogger Lynn Terry said...

I completely agree with you on that point, Becky... from a marketers standpoint.

My main point, though, is that it really seems to de-value the product/event from a *buyers* or visitors standpoint.

I think these deals are best done behind closed doors ;) Not to say that the deals themselves are bad!

 

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